Infinity is only a math concept. It is the defined limit of a forever increasing function. It is not excluded in any way. It is especially important in limit functions and in series equations. Eternity, on the other hand, is a philosophical concept. Its meaning is to suggest no end to time.

I am well aware that you were arguing against an infinite age universe; but you did attempt a logical deduction using it. Yet the flaw of your deduction is precisely that if you claim the present to be real, you must then concede that you got to that point somehow, regardless of how old the universe actually is. An eternal past does not preclude the present; nor would it preclude an eternal future.

Per my perspective you have the mass/energy thing backwards. Everything is made of energy in space time. In special circumstances where energy is slowed such that most of its velocity is in the time dimension (versus the three space dimensions), we arrive at what we refer to as "matter." According to relativity theory, all that exists is energy and everything travels at the speed of light in the combined 4 dimensional space time of our universe. I'm not picking at straws; you will find this in any modern physics book that deals with relativity and string theory.

IMHO, your most recent post sure looks a lot like debating to me. Perhaps it would be wise to end this here. I feel I have explained my perspective adequately.

BTW, do we need this kind of sarcasm in discussions of spirituality and religion? ("And I am smilling broadly at the moment.")  

As to the age of the universe, sue me; I missed correcting a typo. I agree that the universe is believed to be approximately 13 billion years old from theoretical time of the big bang. Of course we have nothing to deduce about the time or multiverse existences prior to that. So actually 13 + ? = ?

  

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Edited 2 times by dg May 13 11 4:24 PM.